The W124 Mercedes 500E was the world's most perfect sedan | Revelations with Jason Cammisa | Ep. 05

Publicēšanas datums 15 apr 2021
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There are a lot of misconceptions about the Porsche-built W124 Mercedes 500E, and Jason explains why the 500E and E500 was NOT a Porsche sports sedan with a Mercedes badge. First off, there's not a single Porsche part on the car.

Porsche Engineering Services helped with reengineering the W124's engine compartment to fit in the 32-valve, 4-cam M119 V-8 - for both the 400E and the 500E.

But the 500E doesn't use the same V-8 as the 500SL. It needed shorter connecting rods so that it fit in the same physical space as the 4.2-liter 400E - this way only one structural variant needed to be produced.

The 400E was a response to the Lexus LS400. Why do you think it wasn't called a 420E?

Porsche also did the engineering to bolt up wheels, tires, brakes, and suspension components from the wider and heavier R129 500SL and W124 500SEL. That necessitated fender flares so wide that the 500E didn't fit down the regular W124 production line in Sindelfingen.

For both models, Porsche performed the physical modifications to Mercedes-built W124 chassis, and sent them back to Sindelfingen for paint. The 400E remained there, but because of its width, the 500E was sent back to Porsche, which assembled the 500E at a second Zuffenhausen factory.

With Bruno Sacco's revolutionary looks, aerodynamics, obsession with safety, and Mercedes build quality and engineering might, the W124 was certainly among the best (and most expensive) sedans in the world.

Still is. It's close to perfect. But it's not a Porsche Sports Sedan.

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  • Bethehammer0

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    I used to have a 1992 300TE 4Matic, the monowiper is hands down the greatest windshield wiper design of all time. The rest of the car was pretty good too.

  • RYAN

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    My parents had a 300E and a E320 W124 both where one of the best driving cars. Still haven't driven anything that felt as good.

  • paul de vilder

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    Ugly taxi with terrible interior.

  • Jack Windensky

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    I never understood the hype around how a card sounds. Thank you for breaking it down at12:35

  • Joel Njuguna

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    Just wow!

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    Filippo Soracca

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    Yeah, you got damn right, adam sandler

  • Dreamy_

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    If the Mercedes 500E is the most perfect sedan of 1970’s then are the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord the modern perfect sedan successors?

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    👌🇵🇹

  • Westley West

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    I could be wrong but the demographic audience for these cars were either Asian males in their 30s or just someone wealthy in their 30s and up. (not trying to say that these are stereotypes).

  • Rui Cameira

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    in early 90´s lexus the better looking ones was made of stolen design of several cars and i had one but at the end of 3 years sold it cheap, in the back the tail lights were corvette look-a-like in the from mercedes E or S depending if in the 70´s, 80´s .About the E-class manufactured by porshe isn´t the same as the regular w124 ,panels are diferent ,porshe was in a bad situation and mercedes helped by re-stylingt a 80´s model the w124 not only the look but the engeniering all made by Porshe, the w124 with the 250D (diesel engine) was considered in it´s last year of production the best car in the world allthough it was produced with the same engine since the second alf of the 80´s , no confusion there if you look at the porshe e-class it´s totally diferent from the regular E-class or w124 wich i own 3 with diferent finishings and engines also a coupé with a 3.0L engine 24 V ,just like the SL, where i installed the E porshe side panels on the wheels(it fails me the name in english), the S is a total diferent car i own a coupé from the S-class still called SEC engine V12, in mid 90´s they made a tinier leters to be glued saying CL500 V12 in the back pilar but tiny v12 not V12 all are reconisable cars ,1/2 similar just diferent body´s and finishings, and no fuel crisis for european cars as a V8 from mercedes at 60 miles an hour spends 7 liters at 100 km´s or 60 miles a U.S. V8 consumes 20 liters and alf the power and terminal speed ,i had 4 or 5 and refering to the mercury cougar 69 rx7 (7L) and the charger(7L) and the firebird MKII formula 400 and the boss mustang from 69 all very nice but heavy drinkers and apart from the boss and the formula 400 they didn´t have speed off course i changed them in europe and X2 the top speed, the MERC 450SE 6.3 V8 was tthe fastest car in the world and the formula 400 was for a brief period of time and the 70´s was maybe the most selling mercedes decade so it´s hilarious to see what that choosen kid with beard says, AAAAAH!AH!AH!AH!AH!, but my main car was the Alfa-Romeu 2000 GT also fast with a in-line engine dual cam shaft faster than a 7L U.S. car today they call it GTV because as all alfa´s after the model it as the veloce version in all models(some have the wrong body others the wrong dash and center console it´s a mix of the GT junior and the GT (grown up)) but in 76 i bought a real GTV it says in the body and all that ....so this video isn´t real it came from outtaspace or are we in the TWILIGHT ZONE Rod Serling´s excelent T.V. show that at the time in my country all episodes were in black and white ,only in 1980 we had colour but i bought a colour tv with design already with wireless headphones and crystal support from a german guy who lived in my city because at 4km´s there was a NATO german airforcefield and we could see others country´s T.V. already in colour, regards and health(i have to stop drinking)i started friday after work and now i´m at work doing this (if i hadn´t no cocaine from Brazil i would be dead and not feeling like if i was at my late 40´s)bye

  • Fawzie Kefli

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    My dad has the 420E. Monster car. Thanks, dad, but I'll stick to my dinky Mazda. 😅

  • Alluv

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    My dad said in the 80s-00s Mercedes was one of the most respected brands in our country and brands like bmw and audi were looked down upon and were really cheap.

  • Alluv

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    every 60 seconds a minute passes.

  • RYAN GUERCIO

    RYAN GUERCIO

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    It’s not because automatic

  • Mark G

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    E34 m5 3.8 race

  • Rusty Bearden

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    I've said it before and I say it again - take a big engine and put it in a small car, make it work and...........automotive perfection (no matter the make or the model) great video

  • Alex Nights

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    Earing a American talk about full economi does not sound right

  • Aleksander Bregu

    Aleksander Bregu

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    This videos whas like a story

  • Marius Jivan

    Marius Jivan

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    The W126 560 SEL is the Best Sedan in the world!

  • Punisher El castigador

    Punisher El castigador

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    Excellent car ..!! But I prefer the baby hummer
    Mercedes Benz 190e 2.3 16v Cosworth, Icon and unique car 🙏🏻

  • Daniel F.

    Daniel F.

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    this video definetly contributes to the 500E's used prices

  • Frejdyn Jarrett

    Frejdyn Jarrett

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    Best auto journalist EVER. I enjoy Mr. Cammisa's presentations more, even, than Mr. Clarkson's. Only just.

  • Adam Arez

    Adam Arez

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    I love mine! It is in Rose’ Pewter, which I understand is 1/37 in the World and 1/17 in US. Do you know anything about color production?

  • p1epoppa

    p1epoppa

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    Loved the narration! 💪🏽

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    NPC9000

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    I like how Americans call anything under an F150 compact, I guess everything is a compact when you're a burger.

  • Christopher King

    Christopher King

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    I'm a BMW guy and in an older car I need a manual but notwithstanding that you gotta give it up to the 400 and 500E and just such a simple, elegant body style while the S class cars got bigger and uglier. BTW Porsche also worked on the 960 Volvo engine. There's a nice little grocery getter and can be had cheaply. Poor man's Benz LOL.

  • Wojciech Adamczyk

    Wojciech Adamczyk

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    Perfect sedan is m5 e34 or m5 e39

  • rc

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    Our first car w124 230E😍❤️

  • Sreyas Sreedhar

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    Benz 190 E♥️

  • Tom Board

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    So just for giggles I decided to see if there were any 500Es for sale. I found a few 1992 models. The cheapest with 150k miles was $43,000. Now I'm looking at my 2004 Lexus LS430 with a 150k miles that I paid $6k out the door a year and a half ago with even more love...and a tinge of envy.

  • Illegalquantity

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    I totally agree,the 500E was the best car ever built. Second one was 190E 2.5-16!

  • BushPilot

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    Instantly sucked into that video. That got a like and sub for sure one of the best I have seen. Plus looks incredibly fun to drive.

  • WJS6495

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    This guy is funny

  • binhonz

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    and Senna drove one of these on the track, faaaaaast!

  • Luigi Tabbi

    Luigi Tabbi

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    What a video!

  • Tunde Akinyosoye

    Tunde Akinyosoye

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    Mercedes Benz - was/is a status symbol in Nigeria. 500E/E500 were not common - E200/E300 were more widespread and had the nickname V-Boot - guessing it was due to that rear design. Lovely car - however I am a BMW man!!

  • NearlyZero

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    I had a 1991 300E My god I miss that baby. Also had a 1989 300SEL. Both were amazing. "I swear they had the power to repair themselves". Tom Waits

  • Chris Wilkinson

    Chris Wilkinson

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    Now Imagine that with a 5/6 speed manual and then it’s neck level special! ala E39 M5…

  • Kizi chillin

    Kizi chillin

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    Thank you for posting 🙌

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    Kizi chillin

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    I wanna buy them all from you...let me jt check the back of my sofa🔄🏧🕳️🦧

  • Hiroshi13

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    LS400 > Mercedes anything

  • Frank

    Frank

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    Awesome.

  • Klaus Haunstrup Christensen

    Klaus Haunstrup Christensen

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    A bit noisy. So not quite perfect. Some might claim it’s a glorious sound/ noise but I don’t buy it. See for me the most glorious sound in the world is The Creation by Joseph Haydn, still I will go bonkers if have to listen to it hours by hours, day by day. Engine noise is substantially less musical and almost completely monotonous so it’s going to drive me bonkers faster. I assume the 400E mentioned is less noisy so it might be the best car in the world 🤔

  • Geass Sogeki

    Geass Sogeki

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    The world's most perfect sedan is the Model S Plaid!

  • Shawn Greenaway

    Shawn Greenaway

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    Worked on these cars years back. They are a super cool high performance sedan. Almost every switch is serviceable. The control units were still plug and play. If I was to own a MB of that era it would be the E 300. Much easier to work on.

  • Gabriele Pepe

    Gabriele Pepe

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    Where is the love reaction button!!?

  • Feri Seven

    Feri Seven

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    100% not most! sorry!

  • toasteh

    toasteh

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    Really well made documentary. Thanks for making and sharing!

  • Jason Jackson

    Jason Jackson

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    C11

  • Cisco Urquidez

    Cisco Urquidez

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    First I wamt to compliment one of my favorite hosts that worked at Motortrend. Now, on a transition that has obviously given him intellectual and artistic freedom. SOAR! Missed you on HEAD2HEAD...... Appreciate you more NOW!! Good luck papa!! Your content is GOLD!!🤔🤗😎👍

  • bbmavic

    bbmavic

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    Ben afflek??

  • dharkbizkit

    dharkbizkit

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    i wouldnt call it infatuation with fuel economy, rather a necessity due to fuel prices. and its still the same thing today, even tho usa prices got higher over time. 1 litre 95 is around 1,55 euro today here in germany, according to a us travel advise website, average price in the us for 95 gas is 75 eurocent. when my relatives were stationed here, the complain so hard. it was the mid 90s and they said, it 3x times as expensive to fill the car up here

  • Phil Norton

    Phil Norton

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    Certainly one of MB’s best, and undoubtedly from their best period, but the best saloon ever? What about the timing chains needed from 50,000 miles? The rust? The price of parts? The fact that it didn’t even need a speed limiter? Quite impressive in its day, a tad less so now.
    I’d still have one, but let’s remove the rose tinted specs.😎

  • Earl Ocampo

    Earl Ocampo

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    Where can I get one of these?

  • Prone Rider 562

    Prone Rider 562

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    2:29...Bro...Get those scrstchy ass jeans off the whip! 🤣

  • Cameron St.Clair

    Cameron St.Clair

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    Absolutely loved this video... up until I saw that public roads were being used. Please be careful.

  • Daniel Stefanov

    Daniel Stefanov

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    Citroen C5 Exclusiv, ever heard of it? ;)

  • M K

    M K

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    The 70s? The W124 500E was in production 1990-1995. About 20 years off

  • Al Ale

    Al Ale

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    The first person driving at the end was awesome. Now time to go to marketplace.

  • M K

    M K

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    What’s the Mercedes that was in the movie “Double Impact” with Jean Claude Van Damne?

  • Mark Marko

    Mark Marko

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    The 80s is when cars used to be real cars, European and Japanese, nothing exciting about today's cars, engineers have their hands and brains cuffed, profit is all what matters, just like what happened to boeing

  • Shawn Elliott

    Shawn Elliott

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    It's certainly an incredibly impressive Autobahn Bomber. But for daily commuting in shitty American traffic, my Camry Hybrid with radar-assisted cruise control, automatic lane-centering, no gear-changes, and 50mpg in stop-and-go freeway traffic-jams, wins hands-down.

  • craigb

    craigb

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    They really are a stunning car even today.(the 124's).. every now and then you drive past one and they are usually in immaculate condition and you go.... WoW. I think you captured it well when you said "look at all the other cars" from the 80's

  • Abdelrahman Khairy

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    I am appalled by myself not finding this channel sooner... Here's a subscribe..., take it!😄🤲

    • Abdelrahman Khairy

      Abdelrahman Khairy

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      I also strongly suspect Doug DeMuro is actually a robot pretending to be human.

  • crazyman8472

    crazyman8472

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    So, a late ‘70s Mercedes? That was when “Mercedes” meant something besides “overpriced junk”. 😜

    • SM356

      SM356

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      Junk? Are you out of your damn mind?

  • Marcus Mcgarkus

    Marcus Mcgarkus

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    Personally I thought the most perfect sedan was a Chevrolet Caprice Classic or even a Mercury Grand Marquis. You guys like expensive cars that go to the shop a lot. Engineered like no other car in the world..thank God!

  • Kseno Morf

    Kseno Morf

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    finally someone who pronounces Porsche correctly

  • Rhythm Stick

    Rhythm Stick

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    BECAUSE IT FITS THE VAPOURWAVE AESTHETIC

  • SG

    SG

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    Love my daily drive 1992 300E. But the only thing that I believe one can never control; the absolute MPG, is what's hurting me the most. Best I got was ~26 US MPG and worst I got was 16 in my specific driving conditions. Yet still I plan on keeping it forever. Critical parts are still manageable with reasonable price so far even tho they keep getting less available and more expensive.

  • Nespokesman

    Nespokesman

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    Good job, damn...

  • THE BGSTER

    THE BGSTER

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    I dont if its the best sedan but its between this and the lotus carlton

  • Addo Blaknovski

    Addo Blaknovski

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    GOAT auto journalist 💜

  • Theo Teddy

    Theo Teddy

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    wow opel calibra had the same drag coeficient and bragged about it so much I remember it.. never heard mercedes mentioning it that times..

  • Mekai Fortune

    Mekai Fortune

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    Nice production

  • Andrew Garcia

    Andrew Garcia

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    Probably the coolest merc ever short of the hammer

  • Tj Enki

    Tj Enki

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    Please do the Lexus LS 400/430

  • Lorend Bungaran

    Lorend Bungaran

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    04:17 is he trying to sit on the bonnet??

  • Christopher Prose

    Christopher Prose

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    Great video and so interesting. I had no idea there was so much going on with this car at the time. I do remember when flushed headlights finally arrived in America. They were so cool! Still, it took the US manufacturers years to catch up with that trend and for congress to approve the innovation. You had only two choices with American cars: Round or square, that's it. To me, Europe still has a more diverse and intriguing range of cars to choose from. All we get anymore is SUVs. At least they all come with flush headlights now.

  • Alan Hadzic

    Alan Hadzic

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    God is above as Mercedes below

  • Tapejara 150

    Tapejara 150

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    He knows.

  • LEE ZEO

    LEE ZEO

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    W124 love it

  • Brendan Carlson

    Brendan Carlson

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    🔨

  • Birch

    Birch

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    Man, now I just gotta see the LS400 video.

  • Henry P

    Henry P

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    One of my favorite episodes, and prob one of my favorite cars ever! Great Content !

  • Obamaistoast2012

    Obamaistoast2012

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    The most perfect car is my 93 mitsubishi expo LRV,

  • socallawrence

    socallawrence

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    This dude is a mix of Adam Sandler, Ben Affleck and and Edward Burns LOL

  • battlecat

    battlecat

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    Lexus will always be better than Benz.

  • Mudiaga Idjerhaka

    Mudiaga Idjerhaka

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    Till today....2021.... are you sure..though I like Mercedes benz

  • A one

    A one

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    W124 engineering masterpiece

  • Nick Hagen

    Nick Hagen

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    Saw the intro. I insta subbed !:) i know am the right place !

  • xn0

    xn0

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    The masturbating windshield wiper is awesome.

  • Jose Gutierrez

    Jose Gutierrez

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    A thing of beauty, this car is rolling art where form follows function

  • Nick Blackwell

    Nick Blackwell

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    Brilliant video. Very interesting

  • Don K

    Don K

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    I just discovered this video. I have a 1989 W124 200, which has done 446 000 km - every thing still original and she goes like a bomb. When I give my grandchild's friends a lift from school, they always say, "wow, it rides so smoothly" even though their parents have the latest models of all types of vehicles. I love my Merc as it goes untouched from service to service. Other cars dread colliding with it as it is like a tank in comparison with many of the flimsy cars of today. Although it has been a family car for years, the interior is immaculate and so too the exterior (except for a bit of rust at rear window (coastal car)). Still quite a few in my Town looking super good. You can park them next to the latest models and it will stand proud.
    Thanks for the excellent presentation.

  • manolis wec

    manolis wec

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    nice work

  • MökkiMan

    MökkiMan

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    Still, Mercedes W124 is better than LS400

  • Stefan M

    Stefan M

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    I remember when I was kid I saw this car and i fall in love with Mercedes. This Mercedes together with w140, w123 was symbol of success.

  • Kalle Simonen

    Kalle Simonen

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    volvo 940!

  • M22ate

    M22ate

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    I need one